First thing first, let’s cut away all the political, historical and religious craps. Else, you can start blaming the Brits till the cow comes home, and there will still be no end to it.
How about let’s just look at the crux of the matter?
Q: Is making Jerusalem capital of Israel a solution?
A: NO. Unless majority of the Muslims are dead, expect hatred and perpetual bloodshed.
And,
Q: Is making Jerusalem capital of Palestine even a plausible idea?
A: Perhaps but not a chance. We believe the answer will be a big fat NO in the end, no matter. Chances are billion times better for one to hit a jackpot than for this come true, because Israel and the “Trumps” will continue to find a way to make sure that will never happen till the end of time. In order for this to happen, all the “Trumps” must be exterminated first – God tipped off long ago that this is not going to happen in the foreseeable future.
Okay, the reality is crystal clear – Neither side will tolerate Jerusalem to be controlled by Israel or Palestine (and their sympathisers).
That said, what else is left as the possible solution?
We see no other way except maybe for,
- 1. Surrender Jerusalem To The World (God)
– Appoint a third party to own and administer Jerusalem (pretty much like Vatican City except the administrator must be a democratically elected entity that is impartial and secular).
Or with the support of their respective sympathisers, Israel and Palestine may want to just butcher their way to glory…
- 2. Exterminate All Their Enemies
– Either Israelis kill all Palestinians or, Palestinians chase all Israelis out of Middle East.
I believe unless there is a compelling reason why not, the world (perhaps to be spearheaded by UN) should take a look at the first option. That way, both sides and the rest of the world ie. all of us will have peaceful access to Jerusalem.
After all, the Holy City belongs to the world ie. God. Not Israel, not Palestine as both are no God.
Now Donald Trump has paved a way for the later to take place, if both parties remain stubborn and refuse to respect God’s will, then please be our guest, pleases start the slaughtering process when you are ready. But make sure you finish it as quickly as possible (cos’ except for those with vested interest, no one else enjoys seeing bloodshed). As such, please do not stop until you have completely exterminated all your enemies. Every single one. We mean please spare no one. Else, there could be possibility of eternal revenge.
The only question I have now is should the world initiate a global effort to castrate both Israel, Palestines, and their sympathisers?
“Submit to the world, or face the wrath of God”
In case this message is still not clear enough, listen carefully, God wants you both to surrender Jerusalem to the rest of world. Obey or face unanimous global sanctions and boycott.
– Anthony McNamara
Conspiracy Theories
According to ALT Intelligence 101 and among others, Donald Trump made the declaration (Jerusalem is capital of Israel) to divert attention from the ongoing Trump-Russia Probe. And Benjamin Netanyahu too is facing monumental Corruption protest back home.
Google Fake News
Just now we found out Google is parroting Trump/Netanyahu by declaring Jerusalem as capital of Israel (while Wikipedia still state the place is “Claimed by Israel and Palestine” – UN says this is the case).
Looks like Trump not only control the social media (Twitter & Facebook), but also search engine (Google)? The Gods Must Be Crazy?
Here are more ongoing Jerusalem related conspiracy theories in the Internet…
How can people still blatantly defend Israel, completely ignoring all of the wrongdoings they’ve committed?
Need to ask a serious question. How the f*** can the masses completely defend all of Israel’s actions as if they have never & are not doing anything morally horrible at all? This is made incredibly apparent on Reddit, say anything remotely critical of Israel & you will be immediately downvoted to hell, any & all facts against them will be brushed aside. Like WTF, this is even more blatant with the Palestinian conflict, I’ve heard several amounts of people try to tell me that Israel historically treated them peacefully & and that they were justified in exiling the 700k Palestinians from their homes. What the actual f***, how is this possible, how are people this ignorant towards the real world, like what the hell are they teaching these kids in school nowadays that we have so many of us growing up with these warped ideals of history & our current reality?
Always_Shy: Because if you criticise Israel, they bring up the Holocaust and call you an anti-Semite 🙁
CrypticMoseph: I recently shared the video from this sub showing an American Jew being silenced by the Israeli army with brutal force for speaking up against what they’re doing while in Israel.
A fellow Jewish friend chimed in and his first comment was, “Oh from 2014…ok.” I mentioned how if anything, it’s worse now. I went ahead and shared with him a few IG posts from http://instagram.com/robert_martin_palestine_ and asked why Palestinians are treated this way and his response was a video of a knife attack on the Israeli army at a checkpoint and a pie graph. When I asked him about the the videos I shared (one was the Israeli kid holding an assault rifle), he didn’t say anything.
I think people just don’t want to see or believe certain things. They rather live in their perfect little world without knowing what’s really going on. You show someone the truth and you become anti-semitic or like my friend said, “you’re spewing hate.”
amateurrocketbuilder: Repeat after me ya dumb gentiles…
“German ethnic state bad, in fact, the most evil thing ever”
*Jewish ethnic state good, in fact so good you send us all your tax payers money to help build it*
“Germans putting Jews and others political dissidents in camps bad, very very evil”
*Jews putting Palestinians in camps and stealing their homes is good, the Palestinians are very very bad and should have no right to the land they lived on for thousands of years before the ‘Chosen’ people arrived*
WayneCarversMedSkool: This:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/
loveandpeace28: Does anybody notice any time you talk shIt about Israel there’s literally people commenting to defend them in a few minutes? Every comment I have that’s anti-Israel in a few minutes there would be someone commenting back.
amdzealot: Who the f*** defends Israel in the real world? I see plenty of support on TV and the internet, but zero support IRL.
Slab_Happy: Because criticism of Israel is a sure sign of a Hitler-Holocaust enthusiast. /sarc
supersoy1: It’s JIDF. Have you noticed most of the posts start of with comments critical of Israel with many upvotes. Then 2-3 hours later it gets brigaded by hasbara and JIDF trolls.
Marcuskb91: The thread in worldnews yesterday was a shitshow. Seemed brigaded with a lot of ‘God bless’ and whatnot.
rabbidrascal: Israel, and the middle East in general is wildly more complex than most in the USA realize. After spending a couple of years there, I realize I still don’t understand the complexities of that region. What really confuses me is why we focus on Israel versus the adjacent countries. For example, compare the number killed in Israel versus Syria over the past 5 years. Or look at the treatment of Shia Muslims in the Kingdom of Saudi. Israel looks like a saint compared to the other countries in the region (except maybe Jordan, which is a pretty solid country). I also find it odd that we focus on the rights of the Palestinian people, but ignore the Bedouin, Druze and Christians who have also lived in the region since the time of Christ.
WisperingP*nis: It is simple enough. Most Americans do not know the facts on the ground now, nor the history. All facts and history are contested, and Americans are fed propaganda as history, or more commonly, the history of the conflict is simply not covered in detail in high-school history classes.
zenmasterzen3: They’re Jewish, they are being blackmailed by Jews, they are afraid of Jews, they have religious beliefs favoring Jews or Israel etc. The double think is MASSIVE, many Americans are so brainwashed they ignore the tell tale signs Israel did 911.
911 was a cheap magic trick – only bad magicians use CG. Want proof that CG footage was used?
A Pentagon employee crawled through the hole and saw no evidence of a plane:
Major General Stubblebine confirms that the wreckage at the pentagon is consistent with a missile and not a plane:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1ql4TfCZw
This WTC witness insists it was a bomb, no plane:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq1-BCeNcm0
These firemen said they counted 3 explosions. The Police/FBI are reported to have attributed this to vans with explosives in the WTC basement:
You can also see raw footage (ie. not altered to show a CG plane) that shows the missile impacting the WTC (no plane):
You can see a comparison showing the NBC footage showing no plane was digitally altered to show a plane (as well as adjust the colors to make the buildings appeared white and sky blue for increased psychological impact):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPKq2K2dh6k
The altered footage in some cases is obviously fake, for example tiling smoke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkzfKRe0gbc
But what wasn’t CG was the explosions and the plane cutout shape they created. You can see those small explosions here (6 minute mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT1z90BB8E4&feature=endscreen&NR=1
The cutting charges were planted by Israeli Mossad posing as art students who rented a whole floor and got construction permits at the site, and made a temporary balcony. They even made a book about their “art” – which showed them standing next to boxes and boxes of explosives fuses in the WTC!
Mossad agents filmed the missile impacts/explosions (to add CG planes later and pass on to media) and later went up to the roof to plant radio jamming devices. They were arrested and this is documented by the FBI. There was traces of explosives in their van and they were set up filming BEFORE the attack:
Let me stress that again, the FBI arrested dancing Israelis on 911, not muslims. They refused to take lie detector tests for months, and when they did, they failed. So much of that FBI report is redacted, proof positive of guilt.
They needed to fake plane impacts because a real plane would be shredded by the WTC like cheese through a grater. That’s why when the Transasia plane collided with a taxi, the wing broke off, and the taxi wasn’t sliced in half at all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ29Zr7wWnw
According to a WTC architect in a 80s interview, the impact of a plane (300 tonnes) is nothing compared to the 13,000 tonnes of force trying to push the WTC over simply because of its enormous surface area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E15GbdVaV-Q
WTC project management engineer atttests the buildings could survive multiple plane impacts.
The WTC designers did a study for 600mph-1 impact which showed the towers would easily withstand the 911 attack.
Someone planted an engine (though wrong make) to further the plane deception.
Essentially the media got punked by Israel, because journalists just report what they’re told. You can see another example of newscasters being fooled by a movie set into thinking it’s a real plane accident. At the 7 minute mark in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wozTHxykDwQ
The larger 911 plan required the destruction of the Washington bridge and Lincoln tunnel. That would take out the fiber optic cables linked to stock market/banking, markets would have crashed and there would be martial law introduced. You can see this TV report on the other Israeli vans that were intercepted, one of them exploded:
Israeli companies moved out of the building months before the attack. Israelis in America were warned in advance through an Israeli messaging service:
Hundreds of Israelis were flown out of America, despite a flight ban, to avoid them being arrested by the FBI, including the “art students”:
Israel is the almost only country that benefited from the September 11 th attacks. In the words of Netanyahu, “it’s good for Israel”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUbTe50UUgM
klmd: How can people not say that about any government? Especially ours. Our current crop of politicians stink up the whole planet, and we eat their shit more now than ever.
padubenay: “what the hell are they teaching these kids in school nowadays that we have so many of us growing up with these warped ideals of history”
It’s been going on for a while; I remember in school being taught about the birth of this wonderful new country, Israel, full of delightful, dancing people – we even learned a song, ‘Hava Nagela’. It was only when I saw a graffiti in the toilet, ‘Guns for the arabs’, that I began to realize there was another side to the story.
falseflagthesenuts: We have been 100% infiltrated and any even handed criticisms are blasted as anti-Semitic and slapped with holocaust guilt even tho we liberated them as best the allies could.
WayneCarversMedSkool: But, but, but 6 million ??
TheFundamentalFlaw: Most over zealous christian people tend to connect Israel from the scriptures with today’s Israel. They think that the creation of the state of Israel is an act of god towards his chosen people and going against Israel is going against god himself.
The creation of Israel is an absurd in itself, but it is done anyway. The least the israelis could do is to accept the terms of its creation. Jerusalem was never intended to be the capital of Israel, this claim is entirely illegal. The initial idea was that Jerusalem would be ruled by the U.N.
ToadCode: This is truly a great question. While evidence of the Isreali side of acting agressively toward the Palestinians is shown almost daily on the news around the world, many people still take up for the Israelis. My initial assumption is about religion. The media outlets that support the Israeli movements are mostly Judeo-Christian, where the media outlets that support the Palestinians are mostly Arabic in nature. Many nations like the U.S. claim to be tolerant of all religions (and some of us Americans REALLY ARE while others are not tolerant at all) however are still ran from a classically Judeo-Christian perspective lending support to Israel. There is also the politics and investments behind the scenes that also control this. I am not going all conspiracy here or anything, just stating that if Jewish people tend to financially support your causes, you tend to support their causes sort of thing. Almost like an ally sort of thing.
These are just a few facets into the complicated world of international politics in the Middle East today.
Read up on the history of the Palestinians and Jewish people throughout the centuries as well and that will give you a more mature introduction into the political complexities between these two groups.
mtlotttor: Because they brow beat and threaten well intentioned people to the point, they give up talking about the subject. With most civilized people, you respect the opinion of the other person. Pro-Isreal people don’t give a fuck about you and will insult you and demonized you without cause. They will shoot obscure unrelated facts at you so you feel insecure. Trust me, the facts are easy to learn and see how much full of shit they are. Watch 8 hours of Norman Finkelstein and you’ll be an expert of Middle East Politics.
ManIsBornFree: I have red-pilled many on Israel. Friends, Lovers, and family.
Everyone who sees the information, and goes to research for themselves, becomes anti-Zionist. EVERYONE.
Everyone except one person. My father.
Why?
He refuses to listen or watch anything related. He does not want to change his mind. He chooses not to care about truth.
Some people are stubborn with their view of the world, and that changing it is a danger to them. If success is built from actions made of the content we have, his massive success is in danger of changing his mind, in any way. This is how some successful people think, when they have the momentum of life behind them. They conquer.
In respect to that context. I’m pretty ‘red-pilled’, as an over-all understanding and acceptance of how human run/organized systems seems to progress into nepotistic hierarchy and personal vendetta of those at the top.
IN that process, I have no ambition to be part of a fucked up trickle down system, and most people who think they know everything grow apathetic in behavior.
As Tolstoy might have concluded: Meaning in life is a random leap of faith. A choice to believe in something, and then to move along.
Truth does not equate to happiness, and in mythology, brings only processes of suffering and acceptance in ‘a sense of knowing’.
Finally, that ‘knowing’ and a ‘sense of knowing’ are not the same thing. Yet, that confidence in a knowledge of a system, creates opportunistic and momentous behavior towards actions that bring upon general success, and in action a sense of meaning. That a sense of meaning is truth to some people.
Mtthom06: Because the Bible is Jewish propaganda
net_nomad: > What the actual f***, how is this possible, how are people this ignorant towards the real world, like what the hell are they teaching these kids in school nowadays that we have so many of us growing up with these warped ideals of history & our current reality?
Jews run the school system… you learn what they choose for you to learn, and think how they want you to think.
Mmmbeerisu: Its because the Yal-queda evangelical crowd believes that isreal returning to the holy land is prophecy being fulfilled and necessary for the second coming of Christ. Israel takes advantage of this belief because they know our politicians can be exploited if seen to be against the evangelical crowd. Its internal and external pressure to put another country/people first. If this administration was truly about america first they would be railing against Israel.
CrazyCommunistBernie: On one side I got liberals or jews telling me I’m antisemitic. On the other I got right wing Zionist Christians calling me antisemitic. It’s losing its power. Israel is a genocide state.
Babolaskdsd: i went to jerusalem once, saw a palestinian kid got killed by israel soldier in front of my eyes….the people there also complained that they are discriminated….damn i wish i could help…
jdubb198: The Host and The Parasite: How Israel’s Fifth Column Consumed America.
Found this book on the matter. Sorry about the font text, it is cut and paste.
blackholesmatter: Whoa man, this thread is a trash heap. It’s easy for people to call those who question Israel anti-Semitic when you guys go and say a bunch of anti-Semitic shit when questioning Israel. News flash: The holocaust definitely did happen.
Also, I think it’s Fox News that’s selling pro-Israel sentiment, all the Fox News watchers I used to know at my old work would always say, “Why wouldn’t we want to support our only friend in the middle east.” I would try to explain to them that no one is seriously questioning the existence of Israel at this point, we’re just questioning the Isreali extremists running the government over there and everything they’ve done to try to make a two state solution impossible because they fundamentally don’t believe in one.
abumubarak: One can support Israel’s right to exist without supporting the crimes committed by its governments.
MrSirCR: well as an israeli, and a former IDF solider, all i can say is that all the “information” you have is a huge BS man. nothing annoying me more then people on the internet talking bad about my country when they dont know anything about her. oh, you saw an article on BBC or some fake photo on FB? its sad that thats all what people need to get an “solid opinion”. lmao.
Israel is the only democracy in the middle east, and we are the ONLY side in the conflict that tries to achieve peace. they go for our childrens and womens, we go for their terrorists.
HibikiSS: A combination of apathy and/or pride and massive brainwashing.
VeganSavage: Completely with you OP, what they have done is a travesty of epic proportions. F*** a two state solution. They need to get out of that country completely, the only solution is to give it entirely back to Palestine, it is and always was their country. Before the zionist movement jews and palastinians lived their together with no problems, this radical movement is unreal.
IncomingPit: Because Israel and Israeli agents have their grubby paws all over our politicians, foreign policy, intelligence agencies, they have dirt on our leaders and bureaucrats, etc. Israel is kinda like leftists, they are obsessed with winning and control, they will stoop to any low to win for their people and they often do so easily, because our (western) countries are full of cucks who have zero love for their own people.
Phofuksakes: Why is China not held to the same standard as Israel? By all accounts what’s happening or happened in Tibet is much worse than Israel. Tibetans are a peaceful people whereas every other day we hear hateful rhetoric from the Arabs.
venCiere: First of all, they are not the only ones committing wrongdoings. The fact is most of Arab countries have a problem with establishment of Israel and have attacked them.
greggerypeccary: Probably a stupid question: Why can’t the Palestinians be given control of East Jerusalem?
SuperPoop: I support whoever brings us peace.
I don’t know enough about it to know who that means.
I’ll assume that there is good and bad people on both sides.
DMVSavant: movement to remember
war victims
intentionally was turned
into a white survivalist cult
nofilmynofucky: Most people have no fucking clue what’s going on in Israel and you are automatically assumed to be an antisemite if you voice opinion against the state
The Rothschilds play a fuckin tight game tbh
usernameisnotthis: effective propaganda from israel/zion the kings of propaganda.. just look at the holocaust for example.
Objective_assessment: Racial and cultural supremacism
xtaintedl0ve: Because then other countries would be up for criticise.
It’s the same reason why Kurdistan will never be a recognised country.
abillionhorses: Most people here just need to refresh their minds with how we got here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wo2TLlMhiw
raglan35: Coz ,(((muh holocaust))), goy…
Ransom68: I actually don’t get the Jew or Israel hate. I see groups like Hamas’ actions being morally wrong.
Also last time I checked the Bible and the Torah did not call out for the killing of unbelievers.
(Let the flames and down votes begin)/s
People are exposed to the shill brigades.
notjaker44: The same reason many blatantly defend the US military forces. There are many assumptions that the US and it’s allies are forces for “good” in the world. Therefore Israel is an ally=Israel must be good. A lot of good comments in here about the complexities of the Middle East. Now, I’ll make some assumptions about Israel and their people. They probably are fed the same propaganda in their schools about the “evil” other. Therefore many feel justified in the way their military operates.
As long as WE continue to feed into the idea that the world operates in an Us vs them mentality. We will continue to be victimized by propaganda about the nefarious “other.” There is no “them.” There is only us. We cannot continue to scapegoat other countries.
There is no one to blame really except for all of us. We do this to ourselves. Because we hate that we love. Or maybe we love to hate others due to our own perceived lack of power.
I think our problem lies in the fact that we want to believe that countries work like machines. Machines all work the same, but countries are made up of individuals. All who tick to a slightly different tock.
I’m sure there are people in Israel who are screaming “WTF are we doing!” Just like many of us here in the US are screaming “WTF are we doing!!”
On top of which, most people are just trying to eek a living out inside the machine. Our imaginations are subverted into these political machines. And it’s heartbreaking and difficult to deal with. It’s difficult to stand up because sometimes it seems like you’re all alone in a world gone mad. You risk losing friends. You risk losing family. And so we go along because we don’t know what else to do.
But maybe it begins with not knowing what to do. Because in all reality who’s fault is it dude? Is it mine? Is it yours? We are all guilty in one way or the other.
I don’t know how to change the world. I haven’t got the slightest clue, but I think that’s where it starts. Because until we can all admit that we don’t know, we will fall victim to unconsciously following someone who says they know.
_Phone: Because: identity politics.
IDoWhatIAmTold: Because the “Palestinians” are not an actual thing……… they are the pawns in a giant religious conflict.
Israel is a US ally, and a stable one that helps us tremendously. That is why. I bet you think that all of those Islamic countries, like Saudi Arabia and Iraq and Egypt are democracies that love the US and stand for the principals we do and the people support the US? That is the myth. We support many governments that are not perfect, and you are just another in a long line of uninformed people that use overly simplistic thinking to support people that HATE US.
Israel is not our enemy. Never has been and never will be.
TDMAC14: Because all of our media is run by Jews? Pretty much every piece of information we’ve consumed in the West since birth has been filtered through a Jewish lens.
jbrs_: Sam Harris: [Why Don’t I Criticize Israel?](https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel)
stephenliss: Because Holocaust. You might want to watch some Norman Finkelstein video. Also, “Memory of the Camps”. Powerful stuff, has quite a hold on many people’s minds.
TheRealBrotherLouie: Who do you think owns the media and the educational system?
dontbethatguyever: Whatever argument the Arabs had to stand on in staking claim to land the Israelis currently occupy went out the proverbial window when the 1967 coordination under Egypt’s Nasser of several Arab countries attempting to attack and kill the Israelis was promptly defeated in six days’ time. Those that lose in times of war are subject to the rules of the victor, plain and simple.
Whaddaya Say?